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Bug #24847 php.net/functionname redirects break with google search enabled.
Submitted: 2003-07-28 23:35 UTC Modified: 2003-08-12 12:55 UTC
Votes:3
Avg. Score:4.0 ± 0.8
Reproduced:3 of 3 (100.0%)
Same Version:1 (33.3%)
Same OS:1 (33.3%)
From: everyone at efnet dot php dot net Assigned:
Status: No Feedback Package: Website problem
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 [2003-07-28 23:35 UTC] everyone at efnet dot php dot net
Description:
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Since I cannot edit or add a comment to bug #23844, I'll 
say it here: I respectfully disagree with goba@php.net that 
that bug is a duplicate of the issue found in #23652.

Having read both of the bug reports a few times, it appears 
that #23844 refers to instances where users attempt to 
access *incorrect* function names as php.net/badfuncname,

...whereas #23652 has more to do with users being 
erroneously 'bounced' between google and php mirror sites, 
primarily as a result of broken links from *within* the PHP 
documentation itself.

* * *

re: [28 May 4:02am CDT] derick@php.net (from #23844)
"Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is 
not a bug..."

Maybe things were different at the time of this writing, 
but your 'bug reporting system' now includes a "type of 
bug: php.net website error" entry, so, it  is justified.

* * *

re: [16 May 2:57am CDT] derick@php.net (from #23652)

"website problems can't be critical."

No, but they can surely be annoying as hell to a LOT of 
people who try and use the functionality on a REGULAR 
basis. So multiply that frustration level by the number of   
loyal, albeit forgetful, PHP users that regularly look up 
functions on your site. How long before it reaches a 
'critical' mass? Do you wonder why you seem to be getting a 
lot of reports of this bug, or something just like it?

 I have a lot of respect for you, Derick, but this is one 
of those stupid fixes that will make a lot of people happy. 
I for one do not know exactly how the site works now, as 
opposed to how it worked before the Google integration. But 
I do know that for me, and many others, there is no 
perceived benefit, at least not for php.net/brokenfuncname.

* * *

Original 'bug report' before seeing the bug system match 
about 12 other google-related complaints:

* * *

I fell in love with using php.net/funcname capability as a 
nice shortcut.
However, I did not always remember the function's name 
correctly.

Previous versions of the site would find best matches from 
pages of the site. For example;  

http://us2.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=isstring&lang=
en

Even if I did not find a match I liked, I could still 
change the php.net site URL so I could try to look again.
Now, the site just takes me to google and gives me a 
useless error page. I cannot even hit 'back' because of the 
way in which I am redirected. So I have to go to php.net 
and THEN type the search in the box after waiting for the 
site to load. That kills the usefullness of the shortcut.

It seems like a small thing, but it's something I miss 
quite a bit. I had a nice command line -> web browser 
script set up to perform the lookup.

I am not the only person, either... there are always a few 
others in the efnet #php channel who respond in the same 
way whenever I mention it. So I know I'm not alone in 
saying this.

I love PHP and I love php.net... but this is just a bad 
step for you guys. I hope you put it back the way it was.


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 [2003-07-29 05:45 UTC] goba@php.net
First of all there is no concrete problem explained in this letter. It may be the intention of this bug report to convince us that redirecting to Google for URL shortcuts is not a good thing, but this is not clear to me. If there is some problem with existing function names, then why don't you provide examples to us?

I think that you missed to concentrate on the point, and tried to express your feelings instead. I would be much happier with a description on what is the exact problem, and how do you think it will be good to be solved.

BTW on the comment from Derick, the "critical" category is reserved for very important PHP bugs, and the developers handle them specially, so it is just a matter or jargon here. Website bugs cannot be categorized "critical" because of this, even if we feel that they are critical.
 [2003-08-12 12:55 UTC] sniper@php.net
No feedback was provided. The bug is being suspended because
we assume that you are no longer experiencing the problem.
If this is not the case and you are able to provide the
information that was requested earlier, please do so and
change the status of the bug back to "Open". Thank you.


 [2006-12-24 01:59 UTC] topc666 at hotmail dot com
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