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Doc Bug #14305 type-o on web site
Submitted: 2001-11-30 15:17 UTC Modified: 2001-12-07 18:01 UTC
From: php at dynamicink dot com Assigned:
Status: Closed Package: Documentation problem
PHP Version: 4.1.0 OS: Win2k
Private report: No CVE-ID: None
 [2001-11-30 15:17 UTC] php at dynamicink dot com
http://download.php.net/manual/en/ref.overload.php has a type-o in the wanring, search for the word "concreto" I can't tell actually what the typist meant to say, but probably needs to replace:

names, in concreto ANYTHING 

with:

names and ANYTHING

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 [2001-12-06 06:18 UTC] sander@php.net
IMO it's good as it is right now.
 [2001-12-06 06:40 UTC] php at dynamicink dot com
Quote: "IMO it's good as it is right now."

You must not speak English very well, that or you have no writing ability what-so-ever!

Dude, concreto is not even a word in English and the sentance is a meaningless mess!

If you are not going to do anything about the problem, at least don't answer ignorantly, sheesh. So much for open-source contributions...
 [2001-12-06 15:20 UTC] philip@php.net
Reworded this entity in language-snippets.ent a bit (it affects all such warnings).  Please don't get so worked up  next time, we appreciate your concerns.
 [2001-12-06 19:49 UTC] torben@php.net
To the original submitter:

While help is very much appreciated, I'm quite certain that few people
like to be attacked for the work which they do in their spare time for
little or no hope of direct personal gain. If you do, however, intend
to attack someone, it helps to get your information right. To wit: 'in
concreto' is, in fact, perfectly acceptable English when used as a
loan phrase from Latin. A small amount of research would have cleared
this up for you.

However, my intent is not to respond to the actual bug report; rather,
the bit that upset me was the arrogant and unfounded attack on Sander.

In an Open Source project such as PHP, there is a high probability
that any given member of the team is not, in fact, a native English
speaker. Deriding someone for this is not only pointless, but
ridiculous--the fact that we have so many authors with other native
tongues is the only thing which allows us to provide the manual in so
many different languages. It is a strength, not a weakness.

Finally, when you're going to attack someone based on their use of the
English language, especially if you intend to insult them for having
no writing skills, please ensure that:

  o you spell 'typo' correctly,
  o you spell 'sentence' correctly,
  o you learn that 'what-so-ever' is not a word, but 'whatsoever' is, and
  o your own sentences are not rife with grammatical mistakes (v. the
    original bug report).

Yes, I do realize that by pointing out your mistakes I have guaranteed
that my own message will contain some. That's karma for you. :)


 [2001-12-07 18:01 UTC] php at dynamicink dot com
I appologize if I did not express myself in a way that was understood as I meant it. 

I was just annoyed that I spent the time to post the problem and someone changed the status to "bogus" and said it is fine as it is. Using Latin in English poetry may be fine, but in an English tutorial/instruction manual it is not. If Sander's native tongue is not English (as Torben implied) there was no need for Sander to make that post refering to the issue as "bogus." 

You have defended the efforts of Sander, but not of I. I am not staff of PHP. I don't get any credit for helping PHP; Sanders apparently does (judging by the php.com email address.) I think you have overlooked that I was contributing my time without anything asked in return except the improvement of an excellent web application (and accomodating documentation.) 

In response to Torben's remark in the first sentance, I was not attacking the person, rather the response. Again, I appologize for my miscommunication, I did not express myself as I meant for it to be taken. Torben, I also beleive in Karma, so we should both remember that when you point a finger at someone, the other 4 fingers on your hand are pointing at yourself.
 
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